just wanted to give an update ... after working with some of the guys in the flexhub testhub , we determined that dc++ works , so the problem can be resolved on the strgDC based client side , if the user trying to connect to apexDC sets the client to emulate dc++ in that hub ... i hope this helps resolve this issue globally as this could turn away users , for now i will use the work around , if you want to test more combos im willing to help , maybe you could try testing this in some other hubs ,, i would like to know if this is some setting i messed up , or if it is something in the code ,,, i can do nothing to help with the latter .. sorry